Warburton's 'philosophy'

[RFCRobertson 3,299]

8 minutes ago, graeme_4 said:

hat would make him the 3rd most expensive signing in our squad (if he was added now), behind Garner and O'Halloran.

4rth actually, Payed 238k for Kiernan.

joint 5/6/7th with Waghorn and Tavernier if talking about single values for them two.

[THE_MIGHTY_BEARS 3,766]

5 minutes ago, Rfc52 said:

You know his wage aye?

He was a workshy shite bag. I recall a game v killie. he was to start, then was a late call off after the warm up. radio presenter asked Walter why he had to pull out and Walter said "you better ask him about that" Andy webster was a mentally weak prick. an absolute shite bag of a man who couldn't handle playing for us.

Daniel prodan was an expansive failure....

Walter's job is to bring the right players in. Webster wasn't and Walter is the one who must shoulder that blame. Webster was rumoured to be on £15k/week. £15k/week over a period of 5 years is millions so it was a costly mistake.

[A.T.G 2,715]

2 minutes ago, THE_MIGHTY_BEARS said:

Walter's job is to bring the right players in. Webster wasn't and Walter is the one who must shoulder that blame. Webster was rumoured to be on £15k/week. £15k/week over a period of 5 years is millions so it was a costly mistake.

5 years?

[MasterD 2,038]

I don't know what his philosophy is but I know what he thinks it is isn't what I've watched for most of the last 12 months.

[THE_MIGHTY_BEARS 3,766]

3 minutes ago, A.T.G said:

5 years?

Was it 4 years?

[A.T.G 2,715]

2 minutes ago, THE_MIGHTY_BEARS said:

Was it 4 years?

I've no idea, shocked if it is 4 or 5 years considering he didn't kick a ball

Edit: Was 4 years

[Rfc52 18,479]

2 minutes ago, THE_MIGHTY_BEARS said:

Walter's job is to bring the right players in. Webster wasn't and Walter is the one who must shoulder that blame. Webster was rumoured to be on £15k/week. £15k/week over a period of 5 years is millions so it was a costly mistake.

Rumoured to be so our technically don't know.

Walter got a lot more right than wrong and if webster was an expensive failure going by your figures, he got many more value for money signings than a few wrong.

[RFCRobertson 3,299]

1 minute ago, A.T.G said:

I've no idea, shocked if it is 4 or 5 years considering he didn't kick a ball

He was on loan to us 07/08

After than we bought him in 08 and he stayed with us till 2011. In that time he had 2 appearances with us and 1 goal. We also shipped him out on loan to Bristol city in 08 and then Dundee United 09/10.

After all that he was sold onto Hearts.

[Rfc52 18,479]

Webster also went on loan a couple of times so a % of his wage will have been being paid elsewhere if not all of it

[A.T.G 2,715]

Just now, RFCRobertson said:

He was on loan to us 07/08

After than we bought him in 08 and he stayed with us till 2011. In that time he had 2 appearances with us and 1 goal. We also shipped him out on loan to Bristol city in 08 and then Dundee United 09/10.

After all that he was sold onto Hearts.

I'd take a Webster type player the now, if memory serves me correctly, he was in the team when Weir and Boogie were the starters, man I'd take 2 players like them right now

[Zappa6995 521]

Darren McGregor was a better defender than anything we currently have and was allowed to leave for fuck all.

A shambles of a decision.

[RFCRobertson 3,299]

3 minutes ago, Zappa6995 said:

Darren McGregor was a better defender than anything we currently have and was allowed to leave for fuck all.

A shambles of a decision.

To our "league rivals" at the time.

Was also our POTY wasn't he?

[graeme_4 1,400]

2 minutes ago, RFCRobertson said:

To our "league rivals" at the time.

Was also our POTY wasn't he?

He was also fucking terrible, just the best of an awfully bad bunch.

[Smile 6,735]

18 minutes ago, Zappa6995 said:

Darren McGregor was a better defender than anything we currently have and was allowed to leave for fuck all.

A shambles of a decision.

He was and he wasnt that great, the Standard of Player Warburton has signed has been very poor indeed.

[Malvern 1,750]

Players should be watching the same style being played properly at Liverpool just now and figure out how the fuck to do it with no money and players who really need to be fit before hitting the field of play.

[Ibroxholm 636]

I think MW's philosophy is commendable and has led to us playing some of the most attractive football we have played in years. But, and it is a big but, the refusal to change things tactically during games and give the opposition different problems to deal with is really not doing us any favours and is starting to hurt us big style.

MW's method of play gives very little margin for error if the players are not playing that well, which, as for nearly every team in the League, will be most of the games they play. If the players are playing well, it all looks very open and attractive like the game against Kilmarnock. If the players are struggling like on Sunday, there is no fall back plan. We badly need to find a way to grind out results in bread and butter league games when we are not playing well.

[loyalfollower 559]

2 hours ago, RFCRobertson said:

He was on loan to us 07/08

After than we bought him in 08 and he stayed with us till 2011. In that time he had 2 appearances with us and 1 goal. We also shipped him out on loan to Bristol city in 08 and then Dundee United 09/10.

After all that he was sold onto Hearts.

Went to Dundee Utd and got player of the year. Came back to us an absolute shite bag

[1ClubMan72 34]

8 hours ago, Max1872 said:

I see a lot of people who are defending Warburton talking about his 'philosophy' and for it to work we need to get behind him and support him because it's part of a long term project and it'll be good for us in the long run, could someone please tell me what his 'philosophy' is? Cos I'm really struggling to see it...

I've given up on him, he does not understand Rangers as a club, us the support, Glasgow or even Scottish football.

If he did he would not say such stupid things at every press conference.

1 of many of of his latest gaff's really takes the biscuit "its not a point gained its 2 points dropped"

I could understand that after a few weeks, maybe even a month or 2, but no way, come on he's been here for over a season and he is still totally out of touch with reality & nobody can get through to him & he obviously cant grasp it for himself.

If he cant get it after a full season in charge, then he never ever will.

[1ClubMan72 34]

8 hours ago, Blue Avenger said:

It's the soccer seven's format for the 5 - 10 year olds. Everyone must get a touch of the ball. Played out from the back and winning is not the objective.

Tell me I'm wrong ffs!

Well he did start with the youths, that's were he made his name, creating youth tournaments. Maybe he should be kept on as excellent youth development coach.

But its only a matter of time before he resigns or is sacked as 1st team manager.

[writingranger 211]

Really disappointed. I saw the title and thought I was timing in to some Sartre, hell is other people or hamlet - there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamed in your philosophy. Tis a pity she's a whore. It's another manager bashing thread.

[gersandy 224]

8 hours ago, Max1872 said:

I see a lot of people who are defending Warburton talking about his 'philosophy' and for it to work we need to get behind him and support him because it's part of a long term project and it'll be good for us in the long run, could someone please tell me what his 'philosophy' is? Cos I'm really struggling to see it...

It's not like we are playing well every week, the brand of football we play is atrocious. It's painful to watch. It's a myth that we play an open expansive game. We don't. Keeping the ball on the deck under all circumstances isn't a philosophy, it's naive in the extreme and is the main reason we're a poor team.

So could someone please tell me what I'm supposed to be buying into?

He has a philosophy, but i dont think he has the players to do it. It sounds to me like he wants to play the barca way (or cruyffs dutch team). Which is all good and well, but instead of Messi and Iniesta, weve got Jason Holt and Josh Windass.

Managers should realise what level we play at and come up with a style to suit. Its scottish football ffs.

[VladimirWeiss69 365]

He needs players that can play a possession based system in a 4-3-3, we have players who have completely different strengths than the formation implied. Garner ain't the best with the ball on the ground but is really good at holding up the ball and headering, bringing others into play. Whats the point in having someone like that in the team if we always play it short.

Same goes for MOH, he would be tremendous in a counter attacking team, we aren't that and when we do try and counter attack e.g Tims, he doesn't play. We need players that can hold onto the ball and Midfielders that can tackle. Holt and windass don't do anything of the sort and they ain't great at holding onto the ball as they just get muscled of it way to easily, they have there strengths though!

[graeme_4 1,400]

1 hour ago, 1ClubMan72 said:

I've given up on him, he does not understand Rangers as a club, us the support, Glasgow or even Scottish football.

If he did he would not say such stupid things at every press conference.

1 of many of of his latest gaff's really takes the biscuit "its not a point gained its 2 points dropped"

I could understand that after a few weeks, maybe even a month or 2, but no way, come on he's been here for over a season and he is still totally out of touch with reality & nobody can get through to him & he obviously cant grasp it for himself.

If he cant get it after a full season in charge, then he never ever will.

How exactly is that quote a gaff? Am I missing something?

[Bears r us 2,831]

Let's just cut to the chase here, unless we get a filthy rich person to buy us then the style M W wants to play (and we would all like to see) will just not work.

It cannot work with the players we can afford to buy and I cannot work out if he has told the board that he can win playing his style with these players he has bought or they have just ignored his requests for higher funds and he is not willing to say so in public.

Do we watch other teams and see how they play or do we stick to the old mantra of it only matters what we do and not what the other teams can do?

Unless our manager is willing to make changes to his team when playing different teams, get the team really motivated and up for games and the players willing to burst a gut to win games like the one on Sunday, he will not be here much longer unfortunately. I say unfortunately because he is a nice man and always represents the club well, but being nice is not what he was employed to do, winning games, leagues and cups is what he is payed to do.

[danger ranger 333]

Do as you are told to do even if everybody and their granny knows its wrong.