Warburton's 'philosophy'

[ForeverAndEver 3,139]

4 hours ago, graeme_4 said:

How exactly is that quote a gaff? Am I missing something?

Suspicion surrounds him tbf, guy's acted like a taig since he joined.

[1ClubMan72 34]

5 hours ago, graeme_4 said:

How exactly is that quote a gaff? Am I missing something?

We expect nothing but a win both home & away to teams like Ross County, he obviously doesn't get that, how can he even think of anything other than a win against the bottom team in the league. To even contemplate whether its a point gained or 2 dropped is beyond me & anyone with any understanding of who we are and were we belong would surely agree we should not even enter into any discussion on drawing with Ross County as a point gained.

Adding insult to injury we were leading to the worst team in the league its plainly obvious we dropped 2 point obvious.

its plainly obvious we dropped 2 point

its plainly obvious we dropped 2 point
its plainly obvious we dropped 2 point

How can it ever be a point gained to draw with the bottom team in the league?

Its always a disaster if we lose to worst team in the league no matter what anyone says, its terrible, its shockingly obvious should be winning.

[1ClubMan72 34]

1 hour ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Suspicion surrounds him tbf, guy's acted like a taig since he joined.

I expect the highest of standards.

You obviously accept mediocrity

[THE_MIGHTY_BEARS 3,766]

11 hours ago, Rfc52 said:

Rumoured to be so our technically don't know.

Walter got a lot more right than wrong and if webster was an expensive failure going by your figures, he got many more value for money signings than a few wrong.

I'm pretty sure it was close to £15k/week. There was a lot of talk at the time about how much he was earning and his loan spells. I can't be arsed digging around for official documents detailing the exact amounts of his wage that would satisfy your need for hard evidence on a football forum. Believe what you like.

In terms of Walter, he spent an awful lot of money and got many of his signings wrong. I'd be interested to see a detailed list of Walter's signings and how much they cost.

[K.A.I 8,469]

24 minutes ago, THE_MIGHTY_BEARS said:

I'm pretty sure it was close to £15k/week. There was a lot of talk at the time about how much he was earning and his loan spells. I can't be arsed digging around for official documents detailing the exact amounts of his wage that would satisfy your need for hard evidence on a football forum. Believe what you like.

In terms of Walter, he spent an awful lot of money and got many of his signings wrong. I'd be interested to see a detailed list of Walter's signings and how much they cost.

From memory inc loans (can't remember costs of them all)

Goalkeepers :

Goram
Maxwell
Snelders
Thompson
Dibble
Alexander
Carroll
Niemi

Defenders :

McPherson (second time)
McLaren
Boli
Cleland
Bollan
Wishart
Bjorklund
Wright
Petric
Porinni
Amoruso
Webster
Weir
Eghiou
Broadfoot
Foster
Bartley
Cuellar
Bougherra
Moore
Robertson
Whittaker
Stensaas
Vidmar
Reid
Dailly
Gough (second time)

Midfielders :

Gattuso
Albertz
Laudrup
Gascoigne
McCall
Thern
Faye
Thomson
Davis
Mendes
Edu
Huistra
Steven (second time)
Gordon
Gow
Diouf
Beasley
McInnes
Niguez
Rothen
Weiss
Kerkar

Forwards :

Durie
Negri
Van Vossen
Salenko
Healey
Rozental
Bo Andersen
D.Ferguson
McCulloch
Cousin
Miller
Darchville
Naismith
Lafferty
Johansson
Hateley (second time)
Rideout
Velicka
Beattie
Jelavic

Probs missed a few and I'm unsure if it was Smith or Souness that signed Vinnicombe and Spackman and if McLeish signed that wee goalie Smith from Kilmarnock? .. maybe someone else can check.

[eejay the dj 3,468]

17 hours ago, jim beam said:

It's different from what we had in the past i.e. a aimless punt up the park to nobody.

His philosophy is to play the ball on the ground from the back and pass and move the ball quick from defence into midfield and onto the oppositions goal area and score after mesmerising the other team with our fast flowing precise passing football ala Barcelona style of play.

The only problem with that is we are shite and can't pull that type of football off.

It stands to reason ,many of the times in Scotland ,we are not playing teams from la liga or premiership .

We are playing teams with average standard at best .

You would never know if any of these defences were shite or just plain crapping themselves from playing such a big club.

Reason . Our tactical genius has us knocking the ball about our 18 yard box ,usually for the first 10 odd minutes .

pass pass pass . when a simple ball over the top or into the corners is all that it would ever need

Quite frankly . I hate the way we play under him and his non flexible approach .

Back to front football is a part of the game everywhere in our bread and butter game .

possibly International or Top European players could implement his way of playing .

It is simply not working for us and IMO won't work under him

[Rfc52 18,479]

1 hour ago, K.A.I said:

From memory inc loans (can't remember costs of them all)

Goalkeepers :

Goram
Maxwell
Snelders
Thompson
Dibble
Alexander
Carroll
Niemi

Defenders :

McPherson (second time)
McLaren
Boli
Cleland
Bollan
Wishart
Bjorklund
Wright
Petric
Porinni
Amoruso
Webster
Weir
Eghiou
Broadfoot
Foster
Bartley
Cuellar
Bougherra
Moore
Robertson
Whittaker
Stensaas
Vidmar
Reid
Dailly
Gough (second time)

Midfielders :

Gattuso
Albertz
Laudrup
Gascoigne
McCall
Thern
Faye
Thomson
Davis
Mendes
Edu
Huistra
Steven (second time)
Gordon
Gow
Diouf
Beasley
McInnes
Niguez
Rothen
Weiss
Kerkar

Forwards :

Durie
Negri
Van Vossen
Salenko
Healey
Rozental
Bo Andersen
D.Ferguson
McCulloch
Cousin
Miller
Darchville
Naismith
Lafferty
Johansson
Hateley (second time)
Rideout
Velicka
Beattie
Jelavic

Probs missed a few and I'm unsure if it was Smith or Souness that signed Vinnicombe and Spackman and if McLeish signed that wee goalie Smith from Kilmarnock? .. maybe someone else can check.

Smith signed the keeper. vimmicombe and spackman were souness iirc

Checked and souness did sign them

[graeme_4 1,400]

3 hours ago, 1ClubMan72 said:

We expect nothing but a win both home & away to teams like Ross County, he obviously doesn't get that, how can he even think of anything other than a win against the bottom team in the league. To even contemplate whether its a point gained or 2 dropped is beyond me & anyone with any understanding of who we are and were we belong would surely agree we should not even enter into any discussion on drawing with Ross County as a point gained.

Adding insult to injury we were leading to the worst team in the league its plainly obvious we dropped 2 point obvious.

its plainly obvious we dropped 2 point

its plainly obvious we dropped 2 point
its plainly obvious we dropped 2 point

How can it ever be a point gained to draw with the bottom team in the league?

Its always a disaster if we lose to worst team in the league no matter what anyone says, its terrible, its shockingly obvious should be winning.

That's what he said...

'Its not a point gained, its two points dropped.'

[Rfc52 18,479]

3 minutes ago, graeme_4 said:

That's what he said...

'Its not a point gained, its two points dropped.'

I don't think he gets you mate

[jim beam 479]

1 hour ago, eejay the dj said:

It stands to reason ,many of the times in Scotland ,we are not playing teams from la liga or premiership .

We are playing teams with average standard at best .

You would never know if any of these defences were shite or just plain crapping themselves from playing such a big club.

Reason . Our tactical genius has us knocking the ball about our 18 yard box ,usually for the first 10 odd minutes .

pass pass pass . when a simple ball over the top or into the corners is all that it would ever need

Quite frankly . I hate the way we play under him and his non flexible approach .

Back to front football is a part of the game everywhere in our bread and butter game .

possibly International or Top European players could implement his way of playing .

It is simply not working for us and IMO won't work under him

I have too be honest and say that I'm bored shitless watching us at the moment,the style of play we play would be good to watch if played correctly but it's like watching school boys trying to play like Barcelona and failing miserably.

when the opposition are pressing our defenders and we are passing for passing sake there must be space they have left that a dink into that space could be utilised for a quick counter instead we pass until we are dispossessed.it is frustrating as hell watching it happen over and over again.

[1ClubMan72 34]

47 minutes ago, graeme_4 said:

That's what he said...

'Its not a point gained, its two points dropped.'

Why even say such a stupid thing?

If he was manager of Motherwel Dudndee etc then I would understand

He's Rangers FC manager not a club that thinks a draw is a point won

Furthermore to be winning 1-0 then draw 1-1 how on earth could that ever be a point won?

Its a very stupid comment to make, he doesnt understand who we are and whats expected from Rangers

[ForeverAndEver 3,139]

12 minutes ago, 1ClubMan72 said:

Why even say such a stupid thing?

If he was manager of Motherwel Dudndee etc then I would understand

He's Rangers FC manager not a club that thinks a draw is a point won

Furthermore to be winning 1-0 then draw 1-1 how on earth could that ever be a point won?

Its a very stupid comment to make, he doesnt understand who we are and whats expected from Rangers

You're not all there in the heed.

[jackrfc95 262]

12 minutes ago, 1ClubMan72 said:

Why even say such a stupid thing?

If he was manager of Motherwel Dudndee etc then I would understand

He's Rangers FC manager not a club that thinks a draw is a point won

Furthermore to be winning 1-0 then draw 1-1 how on earth could that ever be a point won?

Its a very stupid comment to make, he doesnt understand who we are and whats expected from Rangers

What should he have said?

[plumbGER 1,643]

5 hours ago, 1ClubMan72 said:

We expect nothing but a win both home & away to teams like Ross County, he obviously doesn't get that, how can he even think of anything other than a win against the bottom team in the league. To even contemplate whether its a point gained or 2 dropped is beyond me & anyone with any understanding of who we are and were we belong would surely agree we should not even enter into any discussion on drawing with Ross County as a point gained.

Adding insult to injury we were leading to the worst team in the league its plainly obvious we dropped 2 point obvious.

its plainly obvious we dropped 2 point

its plainly obvious we dropped 2 point
its plainly obvious we dropped 2 point

How can it ever be a point gained to draw with the bottom team in the league?

Its always a disaster if we lose to worst team in the league no matter what anyone says, its terrible, its shockingly obvious should be winning.

We dropped 8 points?

It's still a point gained, that is a fact.

How many points do you get for a draw?

[graeme_4 1,400]

2 hours ago, 1ClubMan72 said:

Why even say such a stupid thing?

If he was manager of Motherwel Dudndee etc then I would understand

He's Rangers FC manager not a club that thinks a draw is a point won

Furthermore to be winning 1-0 then draw 1-1 how on earth could that ever be a point won?

Its a very stupid comment to make, he doesnt understand who we are and whats expected from Rangers

But that's what he said, 'two points dropped'.

What are you getting at? That he shouldn't even mention that it's 'not a point gained' because even mentioning it insinuates that not every game we play we should be winning?

Seems like you are just trying to be angry about something mate. Have a wee lie down in a dark room

[Thermopylae 3,061]

22 hours ago, THE_MIGHTY_BEARS said:

Getting a quality CB isn't easy. I think Walter signed Webster who was a very expensive failure. He also tried to sign Loovens who was a disaster of a player. Walter was lucky in that he had millions to keep throwing at that position until he got ones who were good enough. Even so, we got extremely lucky with Cuellar and Bougherra.

I just wonder how much of it is about money ... can't help feeling if we had pushed the boat out and got a decent CB and striker our season would have been transformed.

The problem is septic are back on the CL gravy train and that pretty quickly gives them the sort of money to spend we simply can't match at the moment and so I think more of an effort should have been made this season to genuinely challenge them

[THE_MIGHTY_BEARS 3,766]

2 hours ago, Thermopylae said:

I just wonder how much of it is about money ... can't help feeling if we had pushed the boat out and got a decent CB and striker our season would have been transformed.

The problem is septic are back on the CL gravy train and that pretty quickly gives them the sort of money to spend we simply can't match at the moment and so I think more of an effort should have been made this season to genuinely challenge them

I think if we did spend during the summer and were currently challenging them they would react in January. They have the financial clout to go and buy again, and I we can't. It's hard to compete with them on the pitch when such a financial gap exists off it.

[WATP-FOREVER 1,226]

9 hours ago, ForeverAndEver said:

You're not all there in the heed.

Think his mum dropped a few points too mate.

Never witnessed such stupidity - well apart from bluepeter9.

[WATP-FOREVER 1,226]

10 hours ago, graeme_4 said:

That's what he said...

'Its not a point gained, its two points dropped.'

No idea why his name's 1clubman - I'm sure he's been hit by at least 3 or 4.

[Boybluesy 109]

On 11/8/2016 at 5:11 PM, K.A.I said:

Aye. I mind him signing defenders like Petric, Bjorklund, Davie McPherson, Gary Bollan, Kirk Broadfoot, Foster ... they weren't all great defenders

I'd take the first three right now.

[K.A.I 8,469]

Just now, Boybluesy said:

I'd take the first three right now.

I'd take Hill over McPherson and Petric.

No saying much, tho.

[Boybluesy 109]

Just now, K.A.I said:

I'd take Hill over McPherson and Petric.

No saying much, tho.

Take a younger Hill.

[Johnny Dangerously 372]

15 hours ago, 1ClubMan72 said:

I expect the highest of standards.

You obviously accept mediocrity

I always thought big McPherson done a decent enough job for the best part. Not a great player but always gave his best and seemed to be played out of position at right back most of the time. Never a fans favourite but a nice enough big guy that had a good career.

[Thermopylae 3,061]

22 hours ago, THE_MIGHTY_BEARS said:

I think if we did spend during the summer and were currently challenging them they would react in January. They have the financial clout to go and buy again, and I we can't. It's hard to compete with them on the pitch when such a financial gap exists off it.

I do agree we are in a difficult position just now ... the problem is there is only one realistic income stream in Scottish football and so the winner takes it all.

Ultimately though even if we can't outspend them we do have to spend enough to match the ambitions of a big club and if you look at our 2 biggest investments in the summer they were clearly bargain basement buys with one obviously having rats in his head and the other too far past his best to be of any real use to us

[GersInCanada 58]

I get the criticism and no Bear could be anything but dissatisfied with the results and performances so far this season.

In MW's defense he is attempting to reshape the entire footballing side of the club at all levels.This takes time but if at the end of the day we look and are a modern club then it is a very worthwhile exercise.

Posters on here are saying, correctly, that we are no Barca and should not be trying to play like them. European minnows who have taken some of these lessons on board are now more than a match for Scotlands best. Our style of play must be modernised and that is MW's philosophy.

Hiccups there will be but I can find little fault with the overall objectives.