Warburton's 'philosophy'

[Max1872 170]

I see a lot of people who are defending Warburton talking about his 'philosophy' and for it to work we need to get behind him and support him because it's part of a long term project and it'll be good for us in the long run, could someone please tell me what his 'philosophy' is? Cos I'm really struggling to see it...

It's not like we are playing well every week, the brand of football we play is atrocious. It's painful to watch. It's a myth that we play an open expansive game. We don't. Keeping the ball on the deck under all circumstances isn't a philosophy, it's naive in the extreme and is the main reason we're a poor team.

So could someone please tell me what I'm supposed to be buying into?

[Blue Avenger 2,966]

It's the soccer seven's format for the 5 - 10 year olds. Everyone must get a touch of the ball. Played out from the back and winning is not the objective.

Tell me I'm wrong ffs!

[K.A.I 8,469]

Agree and don't, mate.

I can actually see the style of football he's trying to implement but as I've said before he doesn't have the standard of player to pull it off.

You need 3-5-10 million pound players to execute his philosophy to perfection, but we don't have that - we've got McKay, OHalloran, Holt, Halliday, Garner, Miller, etc.

Now where he is at fault, is that we can all see (including him and Weir if they are honest with themselves) that it's not working with these players yet he is stubborn, fails to adapt and compromise on his own leanings to get us results. He point blank refuses to tailor anything to try and get us the results we need.

That's wrong on a lot of levels.

He's also guilty of not putting the pressure on King to fund him properly so he can execute his philosophy.

Maybe he's just too much of a gentleman to ruffle feathers and cause confrontation but if I was him (while I still had some stock left) I'd be coming right out and after these snidey results, be honest and say he believes in his philosophy but he's not been backed financially thus putting the ball right into King's court.

But he does neither.

And that's where his problems begin.

[jim beam 479]

It's different from what we had in the past i.e. a aimless punt up the park to nobody.

His philosophy is to play the ball on the ground from the back and pass and move the ball quick from defence into midfield and onto the oppositions goal area and score after mesmerising the other team with our fast flowing precise passing football ala Barcelona style of play.

The only problem with that is we are shite and can't pull that type of football off.

[Laudrup1984 3,594]

The philosophy is fairly simple IMO. It's effectively pass and move quickly with high intensity and showing bravery on the ball even in tight situations.

If players players are confident, brave and good enough to demand the ball, take the ball, pass the ball quickly and move, all at a high tempo it can be devastating, very difficult to defend and very pleasing on the eye.

Sadly the execution of the above by all concerned hasn't nearly been good enough.

[Rabbit 11]

What worries me most is that I don't feel there is any plan. He says exactly the same thing after every match and looks stressed and panicked. I want a strong manager, a leader, someone with direction. He looks like he is just winging it, and plan A is all he knows and anything else tactically is out his depth. He wont last season.

[offsiderules 31]

It reminds me a bit of the numptie who was in charge at the girodome for the last two seasons. They talk a lot about performances, bravery and the like, but at the end of the day whether it's because of lack of support from the board or the players or the job is just too big, it goes nowhere.. Sounds nice but doesn't convert to results on the pitch.

At some point, like it did for them, the penny will drop and he will be gone.

[Buggleskelly 670]

I'm baffled why MW & DW can't grasp that the quality of our squad isn't good enough to carry out his tactics, ideas etc.

I finally ran out of patience with the management team & the players on Sunday.

Abysmal performance.

[Max1872 170]

4 minutes ago, Laudrup1984 said:

The philosophy is fairly simple IMO. It's effectively pass and move quickly with high intensity and showing bravery on the ball even in tight situations.

If players players are confident, brave and good enough to demand the ball, take the ball, pass the ball quickly and move, all at a high tempo it can be devastating, very difficult to defend and very pleasing on the eye.

Sadly the execution of the above by all concerned hasn't nearly been good enough.

We played like that up until about November/December last year, for the best part of a year we haven't played with intensity or a high tempo bar the odd game. The players are static for the most part as well.

[Rfc52 18,479]

1 minute ago, Buggleskelly said:

I'm baffled why MW & DW can't grasp that the quality of our squad isn't good enough to carry out his tactics, ideas etc.

I finally ran out of patience with the management team & the players on Sunday.

Abysmal performance.

For every fantastic performance like killie last week there's been 5 6 and 7 performances like Sunday.

If we mixed it up a bit I think we would be less critical tbh

[Buggleskelly 670]

3 minutes ago, Rfc52 said:

For every fantastic performance like killie last week there's been 5 6 and 7 performances like Sunday.

If we mixed it up a bit I think we would be less critical tbh

I've argued that point since the middle of last season .

[demise 83]

Since the beginning of the season, we can use any word in the dictionary for the way we move the ball around. Any other word, but ''quickly''. The only thing we do quick with the ball, is to get it back to the defense and the keeper.

That semi final win was the best day for many of us. But it was the worst for the club in a longterm. Because it got players and management into thinking that the gap is closed and we have nothing to worry about. We understimated Hibs right away and it cost us European football and good income. And it seems that nobody got a grip of that final loss. Everyone seem to have been thinking that we will run the league by default, and it will be 55 in no time. Fans do have the right to think and hope for that, players and management dont. They need to be the ones who give their best, and make sure they earn their money, aswell as earn the honour of wearing the Rangers jersey every week. So far only few of them did that. And MWs stubborness to change his ways is not helping either.

[Rfc52 18,479]

8 minutes ago, Buggleskelly said:

I've argued that point since the middle of last season .

I think since January it's been more bad than good imo

[Ryju84 288]

17 minutes ago, Buggleskelly said:

I'm baffled why MW & DW can't grasp that the quality of our squad isn't good enough to carry out his tactics, ideas etc.

I finally ran out of patience with the management team & the players on Sunday.

Abysmal performance.

You lasted a lot longer than most people.

[plumbGER 1,643]

52 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

It's the soccer seven's format for the 5 - 10 year olds. Everyone must get a touch of the ball. Played out from the back and winning is not the objective.

Tell me I'm wrong ffs!

Your wrong.

My son plays soccer 7's (albeit under 12's)

His team are encouraged to play pretty football and pass around.

Sometimes teams will come and rough them up, so the boys need to roll the sleeves up and get stuck in and grind the victory out.

Unfortunately you can ask kids that age to do that, but asking pros to do it seems beyond our manager.

Playera don't want to get injured after all.

[Buggleskelly 670]

32 minutes ago, Ryju84 said:

You lasted a lot longer than most people.

Im forever the optimist but Sunday was a watershed for me.

[harlands plater 5,545]

1 hour ago, Laudrup1984 said:

The philosophy is fairly simple IMO. It's effectively pass and move quickly with high intensity and showing bravery on the ball even in tight situations.

If players players are confident, brave and good enough to demand the ball, take the ball, pass the ball quickly and move, all at a high tempo it can be devastating, very difficult to defend and very pleasing on the eye.

Sadly the execution of the above by all concerned hasn't nearly been good enough.

Our version isn't difficult to defend at all, teams have been defending against it quite comfortably for about a year now.

[Moody Blue Legend 9,642]

Just bury your head in the sand and shut up!

[jackrfc95 262]

1 hour ago, Laudrup1984 said:

The philosophy is fairly simple IMO. It's effectively pass and move quickly with high intensity and showing bravery on the ball even in tight situations.

If players players are confident, brave and good enough to demand the ball, take the ball, pass the ball quickly and move, all at a high tempo it can be devastating, very difficult to defend and very pleasing on the eye.

Sadly the execution of the above by all concerned hasn't nearly been good enough.

Agree with this. The issue is our players are far too slow on the ball and its easy to defend against. Its almost like our players are afraid to give the ball away. For this to work players need to move the ball quickly and take a few risks in the final third.

I completely agree with what Warburton is trying to do as I personally believe that's how football should be played. However, winning must come first otherwise theres no point.

[ger4life_1872 1,249]

27 minutes ago, Buggleskelly said:

Im forever the optimist but Sunday was a watershed for me.

I started too turn the second half of the partick game at home , we won but i was embarrassed watching us time waste in the second half and hardly attempt to go foward , the st johnstone midweek game was the final straw

[loyalfollower 559]

1 hour ago, Max1872 said:

I see a lot of people who are defending Warburton talking about his 'philosophy' and for it to work we need to get behind him and support him because it's part of a long term project and it'll be good for us in the long run, could someone please tell me what his 'philosophy' is? Cos I'm really struggling to see it...

It's not like we are playing well every week, the brand of football we play is atrocious. It's painful to watch. It's a myth that we play an open expansive game. We don't. Keeping the ball on the deck under all circumstances isn't a philosophy, it's naive in the extreme and is the main reason we're a poor team.

So could someone please tell me what I'm supposed to be buying into?

Agree that we look poor, but the system he wants to play will only have instant success if we buy players from teams who play the exact same way. But they will cost alot, so we plump for a joe garner or a MOH who played in counter attacking teams with balls over the top and we try to get them doing something totally different.

if it comes off then Rangers will be laughing all the way to the bank but if it doesn't come off then 10 in a row will be achieved by the tims.

we can still gamble for another 18 months but if it goes tits up it will be p45 time for the management and board and we'll need a new set of directors with a whole lot of money.

time will tell

[Max1872 170]

7 minutes ago, loyalfollower said:

Agree that we look poor, but the system he wants to play will only have instant success if we buy players from teams who play the exact same way. But they will cost alot, so we plump for a joe garner or a MOH who played in counter attacking teams with balls over the top and we try to get them doing something totally different.

if it comes off then Rangers will be laughing all the way to the bank but if it doesn't come off then 10 in a row will be achieved by the tims.

we can still gamble for another 18 months but if it goes tits up it will be p45 time for the management and board and we'll need a new set of directors with a whole lot of money.

time will tell

'instant success' he's been in the job 18 months that's more than enough time to implement his style on the team. We're actually a worse team than we were a year ago.

[THE_MIGHTY_BEARS 3,766]

I don't think there's anything wrong with Warburton's philosophy per se. The problem is that Celtic are doing the exact same thing. Rodgers plays a 4-3-3, passing, pressing style. Celtic have the financial clout to buy better players that in turn make them play the system better than we can. It's naive to think we can stand tow to toe with them and win and Warburton's guilty of that. What we need is an approach that can give us the upper hand on a budget. There's lessons to be learned from MON and his physically and direct side that battered many better footballing teams.

[Smile 6,735]

I dont see the good football now all i see is a set of players who have given up in a system they know doesnt work. We play the same against everyone and have a Manager who doesn't bother to go and watch other teams to see how they play, even if he did he has only one system of play.

[A.T.G 2,715]

The players are slow an fuck at getting the ball forward and they are allowing to the opposition to close and press

Perhaps if they could move the ball quicker and get it to the wings as fast as possible they might have a chance but they tend to fanny about with the ball at the back and then boom, we've lost momentum and advantage

We r pish